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Name: Peter Dewhurst
From: Florida, U.S.
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I own a 0.410 hammer gun with proof marks Birmingham post 1904. It carries serial number 79 on action breech and forearm. The maker is C.S. on the underside of the barrels. It is in very good condition.

I am writing to see if anyone can help me identify the gun. Was a C. Scott learning the trade in the early 1900s?

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Thanks for any help you can give.
 
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Name: Richard (badger) Powell
From: West Yorkshire
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I've just got a variation (section 1) for a 410 shot pistol for pest and vermin in and around buildings and now I'm looking to purchase.

I'm looking for a Belgian double hammer but would take a good condition single. I looked at the falco offerings but they are putting it simply sawn off singles with an unwieldy pistol grip and over long barrel. The more traditional style as carried by hunt masters back in the day would be ideal.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Badger

Admin reply: Good luck on finding what you need for vermin control. When you succeed, please post an item about its use and success. In the US, these most useful little .410 pistols are treated as "sawed off shotgun" under the Gun Control Act of 1934 and strictly controlled. An item on their use, the length of cartridges, and shot sizes would be interesting.
 
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Name: Michael Carr
From: Godalming, UK
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I advertised once used Fiocchi 3" .410 cases and a Mr Butler has replied, asking if I still have some.
The answer is yes and I would be happy to hand them over at Bisley sometime.

I shall be at the NCSC for a few hours during the next two Tuesday mornings. If he would care to telephone the NCSC and leave a message I will bring some along.
Michael Carr
 
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Name: Mark Butler
From: South Oxfordshire
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Dear Mr Carr,
Please could you tell me if you still have any Fiocchi Magnum cases left, I would be willing to pay for a courier, if you could not meet me or we lived to far apart.

Regards,
Mark Butler
 
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Name: Paul Minost
From: England
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Although not ".410" it is a "small gauge" and following the April 2015 post by Robin Johnson, I have been looking at the 360 shotgun and I have come up with a possible solution, which has produced neat usable cartridges. (I also reload 32 Gauge ammunition)

The procedure for reloading brass cases is relatively simple. You start with a (very expensive) 30-30 basic 3¼" case, and in a lathe, turn down the rim diameter and thickness to the correct dimensions. Then drill out and cut a rim in the (empty !!) primer pocket to accept a 209 shotgun primer. Finally cut the case to 1¾" length and anneal the new mouth ( that will allow you to apply the start of a part rolled turnover to hold the overshot card in place in the same way as the 9mm rim fire brass cartridge)

For loading, the cut off part of the brass case, suitably hardened can be sharpened to use as a cutter/punch for the necessary wads and cards.

The shot load was usually 3/16oz (5.3g) Powder is a lot more tricky. All I could find was in an old "Nobel" catalogue and that quoted either 1/2 Dram of Black Powder (no specification, so which one would be a guess) or 7 grains of Amberite (find some of that in a usable condition !)

The Italian wad manufacturer Gualandi have on their website a vast number of loads and by interpolating between a 2" .410 load and an 8mm centre fire shotgun load using the same powder you could derive a starting point for a .360 , loading down and then working up.

In the UK, the .360 shotgun is an "obsolete" calibre, so you can posess a gun without a licence. But as soon as you have ammunition for it, there is "intent of use" You then have to declare and have the gun recorded on your licence.

I am looking for a .360 shotgun, but they are like hen's teeth. Most were made as "walking stick" guns, now a "part 5" weapon so prohibited to most people, and were used by Victorian era collectors of small animals to be stuffed and moumted in cases . But there are some converted .360 "Rook Rifles" and even some rare single and double shotguns around ! One day maybe !
 
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Submitted by Comments:
Name: Michael Carr
From: England
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I have quite a large supply of once fired Fiocchi 3" magnum cases.
If anyone would like them I am prepared to meet at Bisley to hand them over.
Not prepared to use a carrier for delivery.

MTC
 
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Name: Marshall Williams
From: West Virginia
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Stopped by a local gun store yesterday and the clerk showed me the newest Taurus .410/45. It is called the raging Judge and is beefed up to handle not just .410 and .45 Colt, but also the high intensity .454 Casull. Looks like a Judge on steroids and overfed, but gives one confidence in its structural strength. Weight is a hefty 60.6 ounces, or s trifle over five pounds. That's about 1.725 kg for you metric types. Get two and then you can have a dumb bell work out.
 
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Name: Steven Hill
From: No. IL
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Marshall, thanks for your reply, and let me add that you are still carrying on. It's ironic, but because of the .410 revolvers esp. loaded with " buck" that there are many new loads being released . I still run into non gun enthusiasts who happen to have cheap bolt and single shot 410.s that they haven't shot since the 50' or 60's but stiller determined to hold on to them. Many seem to think of them as in the same class as BB guns.


Admin reply: I agree that the revolvers in .45/.410 have had a terrific impact on the .410 bore shotgun shells which had been totally static since about 1970. The addition of buckshot loads changed the complexion of .410s for shot guns as well. There are a couple of "ALOOF, etc." items which address this: "The .410 for Self Defense"; “Winchester 2005 Loads ” the first 3 inch 000 buckshot; the Taurus Judge; and Single Shot Derringers.

As I mention in several places, my first shotgun was a bolt action Mossberg, but it was a three shot repeater. Like you, I have been surprised a number of times when seemingly non-shooters, some even anti-gunners, mention having an old bolt action .410. As you note, they seem to regard it as innocuous. I once car pooled with a gent who was Liberal Left and generally anti-gun. One day he astonished me by mentioning that had owned a bolt action .410 since he was a teen. I think this speaks to a larger truth, guns are innocuous in the hands of honest and decent people.

 
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Submitted by Comments:
Name: Marshall Williams
From: Burlington, WV
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It occurs to me that I ought to say something about the .410 website. It remains a very good and very useful source of information on all things .410 and is still actively monitored. Webmeister Phil has had eye problems which interfere with him work on the main pages, and I am IT incompetent so can't assist him. However, I monitor and respond to as many messages as my IT incompetence allows. For ALOOF, Marshall
 
Added: January 23, 2016 Delete this entry  Reply to entry  View IP address  
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Name: Steven Hill
From: Northern Illinois USA
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Hello to all UK and USA .410 advocates. Thought I'd mention that for the the last several weeks I've carried Savage 311 double number 7 as described years ago as a 1950's 30% condition gun with barrels cut at 20 inches with me while cutting several cords of hickory and barrack firewood from my uncles woods, which has several blowdown trees from previous storms. I'm shooting 2 1/2 inch shells with 13 grains of 2400 powder and half an ounce of # 8 shot reloaded on a Mec 600 jr. press. These cost me less than 6 cents each and when I'm bored with splitting wood I shoot at the cross sections at 18 to 30 yards. I'm amazed at the little Savage's ability to put a lethal load of shot in at those ranges. Lately on gun broker I've seen several Savage fox models in the $800 dollar range . I haven't any interest in serious hunting so I'll stay out of the bidding. FYI the Fox model was really a 311 Stevens/Savage with better finish, nicer walnut and one or two triggers depending on model. Actually the singele trigger fox usually go for over $1000 which is a bit rich for stump shooting. Enjoy the outdoors!! S Hill

Admin reply: I like both your little Stevens shotgun as well as the use you put it to. Reminds me of the fine little “pocket shotguns” popular in the US before the Gun Control Act of 1934 essentially ended the useful design. They were small enough and light enough to carry along when you were working in the woods, but useful for small game hunting. And bigger game with slugs or, now, the commonly available .410 buckshot loads. (Several of these are outlined in the ALOOF etc. section. See menu on main page.} I am as astonished as you at the prices asked for these once inexpensive, “bottom of the line up” guns. Stoeger offers a .410 bore Coach Gun with 20 inch barrels at a lot more reasonable price. .410. Both barrels are full choke, but that can be remedied.
 
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