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Name: Paul Minost
From: England
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Although not ".410" it is a "small gauge" and following the April 2015 post by Robin Johnson, I have been looking at the 360 shotgun and I have come up with a possible solution, which has produced neat usable cartridges. (I also reload 32 Gauge ammunition)

The procedure for reloading brass cases is relatively simple. You start with a (very expensive) 30-30 basic 3¼" case, and in a lathe, turn down the rim diameter and thickness to the correct dimensions. Then drill out and cut a rim in the (empty !!) primer pocket to accept a 209 shotgun primer. Finally cut the case to 1¾" length and anneal the new mouth ( that will allow you to apply the start of a part rolled turnover to hold the overshot card in place in the same way as the 9mm rim fire brass cartridge)

For loading, the cut off part of the brass case, suitably hardened can be sharpened to use as a cutter/punch for the necessary wads and cards.

The shot load was usually 3/16oz (5.3g) Powder is a lot more tricky. All I could find was in an old "Nobel" catalogue and that quoted either 1/2 Dram of Black Powder (no specification, so which one would be a guess) or 7 grains of Amberite (find some of that in a usable condition !)

The Italian wad manufacturer Gualandi have on their website a vast number of loads and by interpolating between a 2" .410 load and an 8mm centre fire shotgun load using the same powder you could derive a starting point for a .360 , loading down and then working up.

In the UK, the .360 shotgun is an "obsolete" calibre, so you can posess a gun without a licence. But as soon as you have ammunition for it, there is "intent of use" You then have to declare and have the gun recorded on your licence.

I am looking for a .360 shotgun, but they are like hen's teeth. Most were made as "walking stick" guns, now a "part 5" weapon so prohibited to most people, and were used by Victorian era collectors of small animals to be stuffed and moumted in cases . But there are some converted .360 "Rook Rifles" and even some rare single and double shotguns around ! One day maybe !
 
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Name: Michael Carr
From: England
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I have quite a large supply of once fired Fiocchi 3" magnum cases.
If anyone would like them I am prepared to meet at Bisley to hand them over.
Not prepared to use a carrier for delivery.

MTC
 
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Name: Marshall Williams
From: West Virginia
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Stopped by a local gun store yesterday and the clerk showed me the newest Taurus .410/45. It is called the raging Judge and is beefed up to handle not just .410 and .45 Colt, but also the high intensity .454 Casull. Looks like a Judge on steroids and overfed, but gives one confidence in its structural strength. Weight is a hefty 60.6 ounces, or s trifle over five pounds. That's about 1.725 kg for you metric types. Get two and then you can have a dumb bell work out.
 
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Name: Steven Hill
From: No. IL
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Marshall, thanks for your reply, and let me add that you are still carrying on. It's ironic, but because of the .410 revolvers esp. loaded with " buck" that there are many new loads being released . I still run into non gun enthusiasts who happen to have cheap bolt and single shot 410.s that they haven't shot since the 50' or 60's but stiller determined to hold on to them. Many seem to think of them as in the same class as BB guns.


Admin reply: I agree that the revolvers in .45/.410 have had a terrific impact on the .410 bore shotgun shells which had been totally static since about 1970. The addition of buckshot loads changed the complexion of .410s for shot guns as well. There are a couple of "ALOOF, etc." items which address this: "The .410 for Self Defense"; “Winchester 2005 Loads ” the first 3 inch 000 buckshot; the Taurus Judge; and Single Shot Derringers.

As I mention in several places, my first shotgun was a bolt action Mossberg, but it was a three shot repeater. Like you, I have been surprised a number of times when seemingly non-shooters, some even anti-gunners, mention having an old bolt action .410. As you note, they seem to regard it as innocuous. I once car pooled with a gent who was Liberal Left and generally anti-gun. One day he astonished me by mentioning that had owned a bolt action .410 since he was a teen. I think this speaks to a larger truth, guns are innocuous in the hands of honest and decent people.

 
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Name: Marshall Williams
From: Burlington, WV
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It occurs to me that I ought to say something about the .410 website. It remains a very good and very useful source of information on all things .410 and is still actively monitored. Webmeister Phil has had eye problems which interfere with him work on the main pages, and I am IT incompetent so can't assist him. However, I monitor and respond to as many messages as my IT incompetence allows. For ALOOF, Marshall
 
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Name: Steven Hill
From: Northern Illinois USA
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Hello to all UK and USA .410 advocates. Thought I'd mention that for the the last several weeks I've carried Savage 311 double number 7 as described years ago as a 1950's 30% condition gun with barrels cut at 20 inches with me while cutting several cords of hickory and barrack firewood from my uncles woods, which has several blowdown trees from previous storms. I'm shooting 2 1/2 inch shells with 13 grains of 2400 powder and half an ounce of # 8 shot reloaded on a Mec 600 jr. press. These cost me less than 6 cents each and when I'm bored with splitting wood I shoot at the cross sections at 18 to 30 yards. I'm amazed at the little Savage's ability to put a lethal load of shot in at those ranges. Lately on gun broker I've seen several Savage fox models in the $800 dollar range . I haven't any interest in serious hunting so I'll stay out of the bidding. FYI the Fox model was really a 311 Stevens/Savage with better finish, nicer walnut and one or two triggers depending on model. Actually the singele trigger fox usually go for over $1000 which is a bit rich for stump shooting. Enjoy the outdoors!! S Hill

Admin reply: I like both your little Stevens shotgun as well as the use you put it to. Reminds me of the fine little “pocket shotguns” popular in the US before the Gun Control Act of 1934 essentially ended the useful design. They were small enough and light enough to carry along when you were working in the woods, but useful for small game hunting. And bigger game with slugs or, now, the commonly available .410 buckshot loads. (Several of these are outlined in the ALOOF etc. section. See menu on main page.} I am as astonished as you at the prices asked for these once inexpensive, “bottom of the line up” guns. Stoeger offers a .410 bore Coach Gun with 20 inch barrels at a lot more reasonable price. .410. Both barrels are full choke, but that can be remedied.
 
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Name: Steven Hill
From: Northern Illinois USA
Dave, thanks for sharing. The Rossi with hammers sounds like a nice gun. After you tried threading for screw in chokes, did you cut the barrel threads off? 45 years ago I acquired a bolt action Mossberg .410, model 183 that had an adjustable choke that was bent at 45 degrees. Since I only paid $10 for it, I cut the device off and it still had a nice even pattern at 18 to twenty yards. In addition it made the gun very easy to maneuver in brush with. I sold it for $20 but wish I had kept it. Please tell us more.

Admin reply: To Dave and Steve. Interesting comments. If you look at the ALOOF etc. entry titled "The Maligned .410," you will see that my first shotgun bought in 1955, was a .410 Mossberg 183K with the little choke tubes and funny "spanner." It was a great gun for the money, and I used it to learn to shoot skeet.
The Beretta folding shotgun on which the Falco is based has a long and interesting history. Introduced in 1925, it remained in the line until 1992. At different times, it was made in all gauges from 9mm RF to 8 gauge(!!!), and from 1969 - 1973, formed the basis for a very good, if slightly eccentric, single barrel trap gun. Thanks for the entries.

 
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Name: Dave Orchard
From: Inland NW/Wash. state, USA
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After and abject failure of threading a Rossis SxS hamergun for choke-tubes, and the complete unavailability of FALCO shotguns here in the USA, I ran across a Yildiz TK-36 folding single-shot w/28"/71cm barrel.
TK-36 single-shot is very reasonably priced :-)

It is built just like the fine old Beretta model 412's, only with a smaller frame of aircraft aluminum and has a cammed extractor(no ejector), fixed choke (a tight modified?) and a well-polished bore.
When I have misjudged the range I have still succeeded in killing a bit past 30 yds. range.(Measured by LRF after-the-fact ;-)

Academy Sports has the sole sales of them here.
I had to get someone near to an Academy store to get one for me and transfer/ship it to where I could receive it.

Stock wood looks like walnut and is a good fit with slight cast-off for R.handed shooter.
The long barrel is very thin so the balance is butt-heavy...
I cured that by poacher-stocking the gun with a triangular hole to skeletonize the buttstock.
Doing so cut the wt. by 1/4 lb. to 3 lb.s even.
It is a dream to carry, and sicne my eyes are giving me a bit of trouble (age/cataracts) I am no longer quick enough with a rifle for smallgame.
.410 & 28 ga. are the only viable means of small game hunting for me currently.

Hope this helps someone else find a light smoothbore suited to their needs :-)

Davo

Admin reply: To Dave and Steve. Interesting comments. If you look at the ALOOF etc. entry titled "The Maligned .410," you will see that my first shotgun bought in 1955, was a .410 Mossberg 183K with the little choke tubes and funny "spanner." It was a great gun for the money, and I used it to learn to shoot skeet.
The Beretta folding shotgun on which the Falco is based has a long and interesting history. Introduced in 1925, it remained in the line until 1992. At different times, it was made in all gauges from 9mm RF to 8 gauge(!!!), and from 1969 - 1973, formed the basis for a very good, if slightly eccentric, single barrel trap gun. Thanks for the entries.

 
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Name: George Childs
From: Ontario Canada
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Hi there...I recently inherited an old double barrel Smith Midgley shotgun and would love to know more about it...number on trigger guard is 5201...anf info appreciated

Admin reply: I was unacquainted with Smith-Midgley, so I did a google search for the term "Smith Midgley guns" and turned up bits and pieces of information as well as a section of photographs. It appears that Smith Midgley was a clock maker and gun smith and the firm was in business over rather a long period, 1801 to possibly as late as ca. 1930s. Guns pictured include a wide variety ranging from hammer guns and plain box locks to very handsome sidelock game guns of obvious high quality. The firm was located in Sunbridge Road in Bradford, Yorkshire from 1897 to 1901. Guns appear to have been made in Birmingham and do not command the high prices that London guns do.
 
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Name: Paul Minost
From: UK
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This .360 question got me rummaging round in my odds and ends box where I found an 8.15x46R case, which would also seem to be a simpler possibility for reloading. Both the .360 shotgun and the 8.15x46R are on the "obsolete" list of cartridges in Britain, but I found that Custom Brass and Bullets, Grafs and Lohman Arms list 8.15x46R brass for sale. All in the US, so probably not much help to us over here. Henry Krank in the UK offer a .30-30 x3-1/4 BASIC case (no taper, no neck) This would appear to be perfect but at £2.35 EACH !! Again, maybe Marshall could comment on the possibility (if any!) of getting brass from the US.

Admin reply: I do not know much about exporting empty unprimed cartridge brass. Best bet to find out is locate the required brass at one of the major distributors and inquire of them. www.midwayusa.com comes to mind, but there are numerous others. I will take a look later and see whether I can find anything. Several US suppliers specialize in obsolete brass. I will see what turns up.
 
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